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The Geek 09-24-2007 11:06 PM

Crisis - The saga continues?
 
Hey all,

As those of you that are current vB customers will know - we came back from vacation this summer only to discover that our family business had been run into the ground (literally). At that point, I removed all future sales of vbgeek products for the foreseeable future while we worked tirelessly to sort the situation out.

I am pleased to announce that it appears we are almost sorted on the business front; however I am bummed to announce that it does not change my current inability to support my scripts.

Why?

Although we have re-won the key contract that our family business was built upon - it was at the cost of my family putting everything on the line for doing it (and I mean everything). As such I will be heading up the company which leaves me with little to no time to focus on script development and support. As most of you will understand, this greatly bums me out as I love coding, however it is kind of exciting in a really twisted way as we have 'bet it all on #5'.

Therefore I am left with the only option to release my scripts on .org (which I understand many of you are against) or to find a capable team to take up development, distribution and support of my scripts. I have had a sporadic blast of emails and private messages asking me about taking on the dev and support... I have even discussed in depth a couple of options with some great coders (however they are crap communicators). Anyhoo - this is really the last call for some decent coders/teams to get in touch with me to take over the script development and support before I put all scripts up on .org.

Any seriously interested parties wanting to take over development and support need to contact me at vbgeek at sweetsquared dot com with an offer that will convince me that my customers will be taken care of and my scripts will be in good hands. Otherwise I see no other alternative than to release the scripts 'as is' to the vbulletin community. I would do this for no other reason than the fact that I would rather see them released to the community than to see them die a slow death.

Let ye all speak now or forever hold your peace! I will be deactivating the above email when all things are put to bed. I know already that you guys support me and my family, and we forever thank you for it. I have loved every minute of coding and I wish to return to it when things smooth out on our end, however first and foremost come my family, then my values (which includes honesty and dedication for my customers).

My priority is to stop these scripts from dying a slow death - so let's get them into the hands of those that will carry on the work.

Thank you all for your understanding. This isn't the last you have seen from me - just the last you will see for a little while (on the coding front).

nJoy

Freesteyelz 09-25-2007 12:06 AM

Thank you for the update, Sam. I'm glad to hear things are looking up. I'm not in your situation so I won't say I understand what you're going through. However, from my brief experiences with you, your products and support you've given your members I can say that you're truly an upstanding guy. Whichever direction you decide to go with your scripts is cool with me. I am privileged to have been a customer of yours. :)

I hope things will continue on a positive path for you and your family. :)

Vero 09-25-2007 12:26 AM

I don't know if you read these threads, but as I said in the last one. From what I have read/seen about your products, I would happilly pay for just the script alone with no support attached. (although keeping the forums up with user base support is nice :)) Please consider that there are many people who would pay for this with no support attached so that you, or someone you choose, could one day continue developement.

Mythotical 09-25-2007 01:19 AM

Emailed you Sam from my mythotical at hotmail dot com

I'm glad to hear your crisis is coming to a good ending, as my issue with my son is closing with a good ending. So I hope all is well for you and your family in the future. My prayers will always be with you all and may God watch over you all.

Tigratrus 09-25-2007 05:33 AM

Glad to hear it's under control!
 
I'd certainly say Myth is an obvious possibility if he's interested, he's certainly got the most relevant experience, at least on GM!

The other I can think of might be Morgan from Photoplog, he's been the most consistently reliable coder we've worked with. We've commissioned a few mods from him and his work has been of exceedingly high quality, good documentation and clean coding. He also consistently provides top-notch support. I'd guess he might well have his hands full with Photoplog though? If he does have the time he'd almost certainly be able to do your products/customers justice.

In any case our best wishes to you and your family! Congratulations on getting things under control, and we certainly hope that #5 is good to you!

James and Susan

Dava02 09-25-2007 05:01 PM

Glad to see your getting sorted.
and hopefully one day we'll see you coding some more great scripts

nymyth 09-25-2007 06:38 PM

yeah good news on that front. I'm sure you'll get your family business sorted out, because of the dedication ive seen here. GOOD LUCK. Hopefully some use full candidates can step to the plate.

smacklan 09-25-2007 11:52 PM

Great to hear from you again Samuel and that things are progressing in a positive way for you and your family! I've sent you an email tonight as well :)

Hornstar6969 09-26-2007 10:01 AM

lol I finally worked out why I couldnt log in here, it was because I didnt have the www. in front of the domain name, I guess the cookies would not set for it.

anyway, glad to hear from you. Not so glad to hear that it is finally over :/
Hopefully someone else will take over the project, because otherwise that means I have lost out on not only this but vision scripts and more then likely vblogetin. not a good couple of months lol.

Glad your okay tho.

Loco 09-27-2007 01:43 AM

Good to hear your able to take back control of your business Sam :)

Just one question if you don't mind. will you close down this forum or leave it open for archival purposes ?

Just wondering if I should dl a backup of the addons that I have setup for gar's.

TheComputerGuy 09-27-2007 02:25 AM

Let's hope for the best

mac27 09-27-2007 03:44 AM

Good to hear Geek.

I agree let some users come on to provide support here in your forums.

yoyo 09-27-2007 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vero (Post 21435)
I don't know if you read these threads, but as I said in the last one. From what I have read/seen about your products, I would happilly pay for just the script alone with no support attached. (although keeping the forums up with user base support is nice :)) Please consider that there are many people who would pay for this with no support attached so that you, or someone you choose, could one day continue developement.

agreed- I would by GABS right now if I could, even knowing that it may go open-source, or that you will not be here for support, etc..

Glad to hear that things are getting sorted somewhat in your personal situation, and I fully understand you reevaluating your priorities, etc.. I know it is hard to give up a hobby (and side business), and I mourn the fact that you will not be sharing anymore innovative ideas with the vb community for awhile. You are my favorite vb coder, and I think you should get some sort of lifetime achievement award or something for all of the great work you have done for the community just by having your mods available for others to use.

tokenyank 09-27-2007 11:50 AM

It's good that you are back in the saddle so to speak mate... I am sad to hear that these scripts will (potentially) be released to .org as there'd be no coherent development and, if God willing (not religious but I'll be if it helps!), you sort out your business and can come back with your legendary support and development ability... How would you wrestle back your babies from an 'open source' arena?

Much better in my opinion, for what it's worth, is to entrust 2-3 known coders to take over thevbgeek.com and they share the revenue from the sale/update of licenses and help with support and development. Then, when you feel able to come back, you take the reigns again and those you take on board stay on as 'partners' and get shares of licenses sold for X amount of time, longer if they remain active in development/support.

This way the coders who take on the code can be financially rewarded for their effort in your time of need, and rewarded more when you come back for keeping everything working whilst you were away.

Of course this all depends on whether or not you ever do want/plan to come back. I just think releasing into the 'wild' will kill the product and with Visions and vBlogetin and and and the list goes on... vB can't handle any more loses to quality 3rd party addons!

But, again, this is just my opinion and if my wife is anyone to go by... It matters not a shilling! :P

StuntFactoryX 09-28-2007 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigratrus (Post 21439)
I'd certainly say Myth is an obvious possibility if he's interested, he's certainly got the most relevant experience, at least on GM!

+1 i would really like to continue w/ myth. glad things are looking up personaly.

henrikhansen 09-28-2007 08:44 AM

A release on .org is dangerous for the scripts, but in fact, the future for the scripts might be even worse if the Geek hands over the scripts to great coders without communication skills. In that case I would rather prefer .org and see a competition between someone who can use the code and make a future business.

Communications skills are at least as important as coding skills, when you have to communicate with a huge amount of customers, seeking support, the usual complaints about everything, having the usual install problems etc. etc,
and if the future owner of the scripts is not a successful communicator, it will not take long until most customers are gone in every direction. I am glad to see that the Geek is aware of this.

yoyo 09-28-2007 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henrikhansen (Post 21455)
A release on .org is dangerous for the scripts, but in fact, the future for the scripts might be even worse if the Geek hands over the scripts to great coders without communication skills. In that case I would rather prefer .org and see a competition between someone who can use the code and make a future business.

Communications skills are at least as important as coding skills, when you have to communicate with a huge amount of customers, seeking support, the usual complaints about everything, having the usual install problems etc. etc,
and if the future owner of the scripts is not a successful communicator, it will not take long until most customers are gone in every direction. I am glad to see that the Geek is aware of this.

agreed - look at vbarticles

Tigratrus 09-30-2007 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henrikhansen (Post 21455)
A release on .org is dangerous for the scripts, but in fact, the future for the scripts might be even worse if the Geek hands over the scripts to great coders without communication skills. In that case I would rather prefer .org and see a competition between someone who can use the code and make a future business.

Communications skills are at least as important as coding skills, when you have to communicate with a huge amount of customers, seeking support, the usual complaints about everything, having the usual install problems etc. etc,
and if the future owner of the scripts is not a successful communicator, it will not take long until most customers are gone in every direction. I am glad to see that the Geek is aware of this.


Good points. Thinking about teams (to provide better communication as more than one body *does* help there), how about PixelFX and Darkwaltz4 from vBCredits? Pixel at least has been around vB for a long time, and they both seem to be *very* active and responsive to their community. And Darkwaltz seems to be pretty quick in providing changes/feature updates...

Not sure if they would have the time to handle this many new products, but they *are* active and are actually trying to build their vB work to be a full time gig, which would be ideal from the customer's perspectives. Maybe they and Mythotical could form an alliance? It'd be great to have multiple folks involved as Geek's product lines have such potential and already have an established community/following.

::tosses 2 shiny coins in hat::

James and Susan

Libertate 10-02-2007 09:10 PM

One person would be good to take over is Brian of vBa.

Mythotical 10-02-2007 11:29 PM

Brian of vBa has enough on his plate as is and I doubt he has time to take on this many projects.

Heggy 10-03-2007 01:01 AM

I realize this an an unpopular opinion, but I would rather see these scripts show up on .org than be handed over to someone else.

In all honesty, I can't think of a single person or team who has the qualifications, time or reputation to handle things as well as you have. It seems unjust to me for someone to have an opportunity to profit off of your hard work and family misfortune - Even if they are helping you and the community... But that's just me. Again, I realize this is an unpopular opinion so don't flame me too hard ;)

KW802 10-03-2007 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythotical (Post 21474)
Brian of vBa has enough on his plate as is and I doubt he has time to take on this many projects.

It's best to allow him to speak for himself. ;)

serhat 10-03-2007 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heggy (Post 21475)
In all honesty, I can't think of a single person or team who has the qualifications, time or reputation to handle things as well as you have.

I can only think of one person: Brian

convergent 10-03-2007 04:14 PM

I would agree that either Brian or Elfmage from NuHit are two great candidates. I have products from both and they go out of their way to help users and are incredibly responsive. I've tried speaking to both of them about this situation here... no reponse from Brian, but Elfmage said he would be interested. I would highly suggest you talk to him, as I believe this stuff would fit well into his existing portfolio of products, and they are very active developing new vB related things.

As a bit of background, I have been one of the charter owners of their vB based wiki product, and have been very impressed with his responsiveness to all his customers... both in working on problem, and also on listening to what they want and adding it to the product. He has even been interested in adding hooks that would allow the wiki to work together with GARS created custom fields, although that wasn't done yet... we have a fruitful discussion about it. I think that GARS especially would fit well either in Brian's portfolio, or with Elfmage's... but since Elfmage appears interested... I hope you will speak with him about it.

I am really dependent on these products and it would be a huge problem for me if GARS fell into an unsupported situation... either going dead, or going to .org.... either way I'd start looking for a new solution. I can't depend on the uncertainty of the .org world to provide a critical component to my sites' construction.

Please reach out to Elfmage at nuhit.com.

henrikhansen 10-03-2007 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by convergent (Post 21481)
I would agree that either Brian or Elfmage from NuHit are two great candidates.

These developers and site owners have both shown that they are both great coders and good communicators able to discuss subjects with customers in a decent manner.

And by the way, who says all 5 Geek scrips need go together to a new home? Nuhit might be able/handle some scripts, Brian another etc.

Mythotical 10-03-2007 09:37 PM

All I can say now is that we give Geek a chance to respond to all of our inquiries and see what he decides.

Hornstar6969 10-04-2007 01:59 PM

+1 for Elfmage. He is a very good communicator which is one thing that I look for when buying a product. Plus he has a team, so it will not be a 1 man project no longer, and he has talent!

yoyo 10-04-2007 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henrikhansen (Post 21482)
These developers and site owners have both shown that they are both great coders and good communicators able to discuss subjects with customers in a decent manner.

And by the way, who says all 5 Geek scrips need go together to a new home? Nuhit might be able/handle some scripts, Brian another etc.

Agreed - I contacted elfmage awhile ago and suggested that he contact thevbgeek regarding taking on one or all of the geek projects, and I think he has done so. Brian is another great person - his support and products are excellent.

If my vote counts (and I know it doesn't) I vote for either or both of these fine upstanding folks :)

NCangler 10-05-2007 04:23 PM

Very sorry to hear of the business developments Geek. I wish you and your family well during this transition. I sure hate to see your work here stop. I have enjoyed your scripts on three of my forums having purchased GARS, GAL, GAB and most recently a license for Geek Gazette that I haven't even used yet. Oh well, again blessings to you and your family. :)

BTW I just noticed that Brian with vBadvanced was listed. His support is awesome and his products rock solid. If he were interested in picking up these products he would be a very solid choice. :)

Dr. Bantham 10-07-2007 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigratrus (Post 21439)
The other I can think of might be Morgan from Photoplog, he's been the most consistently reliable coder we've worked with. We've commissioned a few mods from him and his work has been of exceedingly high quality, good documentation and clean coding. He also consistently provides top-notch support. I'd guess he might well have his hands full with Photoplog though? If he does have the time he'd almost certainly be able to do your products/customers justice.

I second this opinion. I have purchased scripts from multiple parties, and Morgan is both a great coder and communicator.

dartho 10-08-2007 06:15 AM

I think you should have one last "fire sale" with a "no support" disclaimer - perhaps at a discounted price, but maybe not. I've only purchased GARS, but knowing that your other scripts may become unavailable, I would purchase more.

I like my GARS'd site - not many others out there have it and it makes a generic vB site more unique. This would be lost if your scripts were to go to .org as *everyone* else would also be using GARS/GAL etc..

I don't think you should release as free products.

I have 2 suggestions:

1. Stop development, stop sales, and appoint a good mod/admin so this site can continue with peer support. Your existing customer base then maintains the value of their investment as it does not become a free product and we have something unique. You are then able to take up development again if things settle down.

2. Assuming the process is automated, continue selling "as is" at a "no support" price. I would purchase these products still - and am now regretting not having done so earlier!

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myGamer 10-14-2007 06:48 AM

I have messaged the owner about taking over this product, upgrading it and supporting all past clients.

I am awaiting his response.

Lizard King 10-14-2007 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myGamer (Post 21522)
I have messaged the owner about taking over this product, upgrading it and supporting all past clients.

I am awaiting his response.

And may i ask who are you ?
What is your exprience with vBulletin coding ?

convergent 10-14-2007 04:36 PM

Not sure whats going on... I've talked to ElfMage a couple of times at NuHit... he said he's sent a couple of emails to TheGeek at the requested email address and not even gotten a response. I guess its time to look for a new articles and news system... :(

Michael-MI 10-15-2007 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by convergent (Post 21529)
Not sure whats going on... I've talked to ElfMage a couple of times at NuHit... he said he's sent a couple of emails to TheGeek at the requested email address and not even gotten a response. I guess its time to look for a new articles and news system... :(

Is there any out there? I am sad about the whole situation. I understand life happens, but from a consumer stand point I have paid for all but one of his products including the additional service for updates and downloads and it's all of waiste of money because there could be issues with the next vbulletin upgrades that can cause these scripts to no longer work.

KW802 10-15-2007 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by convergent (Post 21529)
Not sure whats going on... I've talked to ElfMage a couple of times at NuHit... he said he's sent a couple of emails to TheGeek at the requested email address and not even gotten a response. I guess its time to look for a new articles and news system... :(

That's the same situation with several other people as well, some of whom were mentioned/recommended in this thread.

Likely Sam's issues that are taking his time away from the site is also causing him to be delayed in getting back to everybody.

yoyo 10-15-2007 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael-MI (Post 21532)
Is there any out there?

not to take away the spotlight from GARS, but there is always vbdynamics from vbadvanced

yoyo 10-15-2007 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myGamer (Post 21522)
I have messaged the owner about taking over this product, upgrading it and supporting all past clients.

I am awaiting his response.

hmm - only 2 posts here - what is your coding experience? experience with vbgeek's products?

Michael-MI 10-16-2007 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yoyo (Post 21534)
not to take away the spotlight from GARS, but there is always vbdynamics from vbadvanced

Thanks yoyo. I have not checked out Brian's script but will right now.

Tigratrus 10-16-2007 06:01 PM

Major difference between GARS and vBDynamics is that vBDynamics isn't *in* the forums in any way. They won't show up in forum searches etc, it's really just a separate database driven system. It's really not the same thing as GARS at all, GARS gives you the ability to heavily customize vBulletin FORUMS for specific purposes. ::shrug::

James and Susan


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