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The Geek
08-19-2007, 10:04 AM
It has been a couple of weeks since I have returned from vacation only to find our family business in a serious crisis. Since then, I stopped all sales of scripts from this site as I could not spend any time in development and support.

Things are not looking much better time wise for me. Meanwhile I am overly conscious about my customers inability to gain the recognised support and assistance from this site that I am known for. This has been a real challenge for me as I am very proud of what has been accomplished on this site, yet my family (and this crisis) must take priority.

A couple of weeks ago, I put some 'feelers' out to try and find help in support and development, however they haven't yielded any real viable results. At this stage I am forced to find some sort of solution that is better than permanently killing off my scripts.

The only solution I can see at this stage is to submit the latest builds to .org in hopes that the community will be able to pick up development and support of the projects. This of course brings up the dilemma of making all of my previously paid scripts free. While this is not very fair for those that may have paid for them, I believe that it is more fair then completely killing them off. At least .org may provide the needed support and growth that I can not currently provide.
I have emptied out my paypal account to issue refunds for everyone as far back as I can afford to (about the last month of purchases). I would go back further than that, however I think that a month is fair and the reality is that I now have only about 24 cents in my account!

Thank you all for your support. I have loved working on these scripts and I have loved the long term friendship that has evolved with so many of you. If I could have it any other way - I would... but my family must take priority just as your family must take priority for you.

Thank you for your understanding

Samuel

Darat
08-19-2007, 11:48 AM
Not the best solution - which of course would have been for you to be able to continue your own scripts but it is a remarkably sensible solution.

I've (on behalf the Forum I help run) have paid for several of your products over the years and the fact that they will now be free does not alter the reason we paid for them in the first place i.e. they provided features we wanted to offer on our Forum.

All the best for the future and I hope you and your family resolve the crisis as quickly and with as little pain as possible.

Lizard King
08-19-2007, 12:00 PM
You were one of my fav coders all around the vb community. I am sad because you will be away from the community but i understand you have your family and you need to focus on them. I hope everything will turn out t be good for you and your family in future.

Arrangements
08-19-2007, 05:03 PM
The ones that you will be providing at Vb.org will they be licensed free? or are they going to have the Created by... Because it would be a great idea to keep the Licensed to be buyable from this site.

ragtek
08-19-2007, 05:07 PM
hmm
i love(d) gars and so i'm very sad that you stop but i understand that family is more important then other things
so all the best for the future


ragtek

gothic
08-19-2007, 05:08 PM
You were definitely one of my favourite coders, and I stood your corner on more than one occasion in other places. I am a grumpy miserable old fart, with little patience for anyone or anything, but I am still able to display respect where it is deserved, and you most definitely deserve it.
Many thanks for all your effort, and I pray for a happy solution for you and yours.

Really hoping that we'll see you again
Tony - (a.k.a Gothic. the dinosaur/ancient structure)

ProGaming
08-19-2007, 06:11 PM
I was shocked to find my account credited from you sam. That is pretty much unheard of and show's how noble and trusting you are. I feel like I should turn around and send it back to you because you earned it.

I've been around managing communities for 5 years now. No coder I have came across could even come close to the quality of products and support you offered.

I really feel this is a dark day in the vbulletin community. While I've never talked to you I've always looked up to you because of knowledge of php.

I hope everything pans out for you and you are able to relax soon.

henrikhansen
08-19-2007, 08:18 PM
First, all the best to you and your family.

Im afraid that .org will not be able to support and develop the scripts, we are talking about some of the largest and most advanced add-ons to vbulletin.
(development in lot of popular scripts on .org as suddenly stopped).
It might be the end to the scripts, in any case probably with the next major vbulletin upgrade.

Sam, are you sure the crisis could not be dealt with in fx 3-4 months, and then return? Of course, that would be a long time without support and development, but I have a feeling it might be the best to your customers and the amazing scripts if it by a small change could be possible. If you release the scripts on .org, it will in any case take quite some time before others will be able to deliver real development and support.

pingme
08-19-2007, 08:38 PM
First and foremost best of luck for you and your family!

About the scripts, I would also suggest not to release your scripts so early may be you can hold them on with you for couple of months and then see if you can return back to scripts if not then you can release them.

this is just a suggestion :)

Ohiosweetheart
08-19-2007, 08:50 PM
I'm so so sorry to hear this Sam. Truthfully, I fear that your scripts will die at .org, as I can't think of anyone who could support your scripts accurately, as they are so much more advanced than what is released there.

Have you given any thought to approaching the developers at .com and possibly selling to them?? I'm very serious, really. Please think about it.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and yours.

mhc1576
08-19-2007, 08:53 PM
I agree with henrikhansen.
Take your time and let us se what's up a few months from now.

Webmist
08-19-2007, 09:58 PM
I too agree with henrikhansen.

I would hate to see your scripts suffer due to lack of support. I honestly think the community here can help each other until such time you can make a commitment to return.

My prayers and support go to you and your.

nexia
08-19-2007, 10:25 PM
We, at nexialys.net, are ready to overtake Samuel's work, for the time he is not available... and if he is not to be back on business, we'd be ok to support it for lifetime.

Sam is informed of our suggestion, maybe this would help his business choices here... because choosing to disable the entire business is the wrong way to go... we can handle his business, and provide support, releases, updates and upgrades in the next months or years... and Samuel would be welcome to join back in due time...

vB.org or any other free-for-all websites would be a crash for the productline...

Mythotical
08-19-2007, 11:00 PM
First off, sorry that your crisis has not been taken care of, good luck to you and your family.

Secondly, nexia has a good idea there but I hate to act as tho I have an ego, but I am the reason for GM coming back up and do not wish to lose my status as developer for it nor supporter, hence I have asked Sam to allow me to fully support and develop GM as well as GLIC seeing as how GLIC is no where near ready, I have been coding on it during my off times from work to get a more beta ready version.

This thread I think should not be to gloat or bring up ideas but if you have an idea then I say post it here, that way Sam doesn't have a million PM's/Email's to go through and he can just read one thread.

Sam, if you go with Nexia's idea, I wish to state that I refuse to back off the project and that I will ask both of you to make sure I'm included on the package so that I may continue my work even though haven't been able to get a new release out since the last bug fixes but all in all, Sam, get your crisis taken care of, take care of this site and lets see what solution for both can come about.

Cheers mate
Steve

nexia
08-19-2007, 11:29 PM
... actually Mythotical, i would take you in the team if things go well.. lol

i'm not here to takeover in the wrong way, but to support the situation... i would have to hire 2 or 3 guys up there to make the support for the whole suite of scripts, so this is not to happen in a shot and it is not to be done only by me... i'm the lead of my project, i'm the only one with a voice, but we (were 3 since last week-end's loss) are working for much more projects... Geek's stuff would be enhancements but also more trouble... we do not make a suggestion just for the pleasure of it.

Mythotical
08-20-2007, 12:24 AM
I know what you meant, I just want to make sure my efforts will continue no matter what happens to the scripts.

ProGaming
08-20-2007, 01:20 AM
I honestly feel your scripts are worth selling at the current price without any official support. They are very powerful and well written for there cost imo.

Give it a couple weeks before you decide. Whatever you do don't give them away.

trana
08-20-2007, 02:21 AM
Please don't do this. Take time to deal with your family issues and then evaluate whether or not you can continue to develop these scripts. This sounds like a very rash decision for all of the work you have invested in these modules.

I cannot imagine these hacks going any further without you at the helm. I hope you take as much time as you need for your personal issues and then examine this decision when other items are less pressing.

I think most of the people here who have watched these scripts evolve would agree with me.

Cole
08-20-2007, 04:39 AM
I very much hope that you can resolve things. :)

I was an original beta tester for GARS, so I have been here a while (not too many posts though). I think you should lower prices for the products for now, because updates and support will not be official, and then you can raise them and the like when you return.

garg
08-20-2007, 08:00 AM
Best of luck to you and I hope everything can be resolved. Your scripts are awesome and the support you provided was exceptional.

Ramses
08-20-2007, 10:22 AM
Sad to hear this Sam, maybe it would be a good idea to sell or give the scripts for free into the hands of brian from vbadvanced, he's beside of you one of the best vbulletin coder with great support. I'm sure this would be the best solution for all of us.

nexia
08-20-2007, 10:48 AM
instead of suggesting to give the scripts to someone who is not even involved here, why don't you ask the principal person ?!... did you ask Brian first?!

don't go to paths you can't handle yourself... do not make suggestions just to make suggestions, you are helping nobody.

Brian is too musy with his new products... he can't invest time just because he is a great coder...

do not ask for SirAdrian either... (the name is already floating around).. i asked him myself, as a friend, and he is not involved right now...

Steigeisen
08-20-2007, 12:40 PM
Sorry to hear that the crisis has not changed much. I truly hope it'll get better very soon, family before business, your choice is absolutely right.

I hate to see though your great projects going to nirvana. I also hate seeing them given away for free. I of course checked my paypal account as I just purchased a month ago (July 18th) and my account has not been credited. Which in a way I find o.k. although it is a bit disturbing having just missed it for a day or two.

The fact that you refunded at all I find very noble and also businesslike. As when I purchased I did not only purchase the license, I also purchased 1 year of updates, which of course now there won't be any. Since you already refunded everyone as far back as possible it doesn't matter anymore, but to refund pro rata temporis as far back instead of refunding in full might have been something to think about. But maybe you did that anyway.

I agree with others that say that .org will not be much of a support. Can't you find anyone who will take over this site and give support until you come back or if that's not possilbe keep the site? Your stuff is so great it shouldn't be given away for free. If someone else is capable of updating and supporting, it might be interesting for him/her knowing they wouldn't have to do it for free.

Wish you all the best and still hope you'll be back in the near future.

Thanks for everything
Greets
Steigi

henrikhansen
08-20-2007, 01:32 PM
Have you given any thought to approaching the developers at .com and possibly selling to them?? I'm very serious, really. Please think about it.

If I were vbulletin, I would seriously consider this chance to give vbulletin some features and make it more competitive again. Hey, with the slow speed they are making the blog add-on, especially GARS and GAZ would really make a quick step forward and improve custumer satisfaction a lot, benefiting us all.

But, you have to be realistic. They, or others, cannot decide on issues like this in a couple of weeks. Interested parties have to consider, check code for performance issues, consider changes needed before it can be official vb-code etc.

It takes time, and I find it too hasty to release to .org after a couple of weeks.
Give Sam the time to settle family business and/or have a dialogue with others interested in developing the scripts in future.

Lizard King
08-20-2007, 03:03 PM
Sam ,

I also will not like you to give the programs free of charge to vb.org. I will also choose a third party to take over the projects or wait for you to return. nexialys is a good coder and i can also offer my help just to have these hacks. My board is based on Gars so i don't want to trust egomaniac people at vb.org. Or wait for couple moınth till you solve the crisis issue and then return back.

nexia
08-20-2007, 03:05 PM
"offer my help" i read a typo here!... Lizard King, when you work, it is not help, it is TALENT...

gothic
08-20-2007, 04:48 PM
Sam ,

I also will not like you to give the programs free of charge to vb.org. I will also choose a third party to take over the projects or wait for you to return. nexialys is a good coder and i can also offer my help just to have these hacks. My board is based on Gars so i don't want to trust egomaniac people at vb.org. Or wait for couple moınth till you solve the crisis issue and then return back.
I have to agree with you here Mr. Lizard.
Our main board is also based around GARS and feel the scripts would be wasted if passed over to .org.
I get the impression that perhaps a majority of folk here would be more than willing to bide their time and wait to see how things pan out with you Sam, even if that means months rather than weeks.

p.s. As I have already made it clear, although I am NOT a coder, I would be more than willing to lend a hand here, if needed, I have a plethora of experience as servermeister.

mac27
08-20-2007, 05:06 PM
Yes as mentioned above take your time.. FAMILY always comes first.

I do have a question though for nexia. IF The Geek did hand over his scripts to you, would you offer them for free? Reason I ask I for one would not pay to be a member of a forum then have to turn around and pay for the scripts.

I am just curious.

Thanks

Tigratrus
08-20-2007, 05:21 PM
As above, so with us.

We both totally agree that family has to come before anything else, hands down. I tend to agree that making your products available for free on .org wouldn't likely solve support issues, it's quite likely to *create* a lot of support issues as folks jump into things without the safety net that you provide here. ::shrug::

if *Jelsoft* was willing to take on the support I think everyone would be happy with that ;-), but other than that I think we'd rather see what members here can do as a community and hope that one day things will work out so that you can return and have something tangible to return *to*.

::shrug::

In any case, we wish you and your family the best possible outcome to your current situation. If there's anything we can do as a community please let us know...

James and Susan

nexia
08-20-2007, 05:36 PM
@mac27... paying to access my site... not related to the geek stuff... the 10$ membership for my site is for freely available stuff in a specific section of it, not the whole thing. my paid scripts are in a different section, for a good reason. and adding the Geek stuff would make a new section with the exact same costs as the actual grades... changes may occur IF a lot of facts come to play with the stats...

giving the scripts to Jelsoft would mean to give them for free, and i'm sure it is not good. they ahve been proven stupid for a lot of reasons... that's why Samuel was not releasing his own stuff on vb.org lately...

vb.org guys are not supporting coders work, and they will never do.. they are always arguying that this is not the goal of the site, so why would they change today... and Jelsoft would already buy the Geek stuff if they'd be interested.. they bought a lot of codes lately, but never came here from what i know... so they will not be interested even if it's a crisis..they do not care about personal crisis...

The Geek
08-20-2007, 07:01 PM
Wow. You guys are pretty freaking cool. I almost forgot why I loved coding these scripts so much :)

Ill need to think about the options on the table for a few. I suppose I am open to the concept of a management and development group and I have had several offers from various people that are very much worth considering.

My priority with the scripts are first and foremost the customers that paid for them, and secondly making sure that they have as much of a life in the future as possible. Simply passing the gauntlet over to other commercial devs or bringing in commercial devs potentially raises as many problems as it could solve, however the geeks have spoken loud and clear and obviously prefer this path. Therefore Ill mull it around and speak to a few devs that have offered to try and come up with a solution for you all.

I suppose my first step is to see if a management and dev team can be put together to keep things here (for simplicity and legacy reasons). If that can't be done Ill investigate transferring over development elsewhere. If not, its to .org they go.

Hang fire all. I just need time to consider and contact some people.

re: Brian... he needs to focus on his current offerings and TBH I generally get no response to my PMs. Not sure what the problem is there.

@Steig, there will always be a date that was 'just missed'. Hope you understand.

@all, thanks for your understanding. This has been a really difficult time. Ill do everything I can to make sure your investment in my scripts see you right :)

ProGaming
08-20-2007, 07:40 PM
Nexia, It would be a privilege for Geek to give you his scripts and I don't feel you deserve them for being so abrasive in this thread.

You almost sound like an ambulance chaser in this thread. Not a professional I would want to buy scripts from.

Geek don't just do what's best for us, keep yourself in mind. If you have to keep them off the helf for a couple months do it.

You own the rights to some pretty jewel's around here that a lot of coder's would love to own. Don't throw them away or pass them into the wrong hands is all I am saying.

I'm a nobody to you, but I have nothing to lose either way so take it for what it's worth.

smacklan
08-20-2007, 10:29 PM
I will be keeping you and yours in my thoughts and prayers Sam...I have always thought of you as the "coolest" coder on the vb scene for a wide variety of reasons (your sense of humor for one...my kids and I still get a kick out of cranking up the "pull my finger" link you posted on the org long ago haha!). Whatever you decide, I know it will be the right decision for you and all of us in Geekland...just know we care about you and want the best for you :)

Mythotical
08-21-2007, 12:26 AM
Sam, whatever you decide I'm sure we will all be happy. Give my best to your family and I give my best to you. You ever need anything, just let me know.

All: The way I see it, Sam is pretty set on what he wants to do, he is putting his family first hence the reason for finding a reasonable solution to development of the scripts instead of just taking them down for a few months causing more members that sign up and ask the same question "When will such and such be available?" I have to agree with Sam whole heartedly about some how getting a support and dev team together for the scripts here.

mpdev
08-21-2007, 12:52 AM
Hey, Geek! Z just told me about your post - hoping all is well with you, sending positive thoughts and prayers your way.

Michael
PhotoPost.Com

kidmercury
08-21-2007, 02:45 AM
you're in a league of your own, geek. you rock. your contributions added a ton of value for the vbulletin community.

best wishes for you and your family.

acers
08-21-2007, 04:07 AM
Best wishes to you geek. I hope your problems get sorted out soon.

However i will support what someone else said before me in an earlier page. If you think that the issue you are facing can be resolved in times to come(3-4 months) then keep the control of scripts with you. No updates is better than no script at all. Yours are truly superb products and i would hate to see them go.

However, family comes first so decide based on that!

smo
08-21-2007, 04:31 AM
Geek, I still get a kick out of some of the language that is in your scripts. I havent met many coders that throw the funny, random things into the actual code. You make it fun to read this stuff!!!

Anyhow, I hope that your issues can be resolved and get back to a hobby of yours. (this) I make a it goal to visit this place daily just to see what youre up to.

let us know if your in need of any advice or just want to vent to your "virtual friends"
peace, geoff

tormodg
08-21-2007, 11:31 AM
Good luck my friend, thanks for your excellent scripts and I look forward to seeing you back eventually. :) Take care of your own, Real Life *always* comes first.

ProGaming
08-21-2007, 02:38 PM
Geek, I still get a kick out of some of the language that is in your scripts. I havent met many coders that throw the funny, random things into the actual code. You make it fun to read this stuff!!!



"Though not my type, I saved it anyway" in gars cracks me up every time.

henrikhansen
08-21-2007, 04:10 PM
"Though not my type, I saved it anyway" in gars cracks me up every time.

I nearly filled out a support ticket the first time I saw this :D

concepts
08-21-2007, 07:22 PM
I nearly filled out a support ticket the first time I saw this :D

haha, that got me also.. pretty funny.

.org? I hope it does not come to that, as that site has began to "slip" as well. I can see your product being torn apart and violated from every angle.

I do hope you find some great people to continue offering assistance. I have been an avid supporter of this site (and all your products) for quite some time, and I am also more than willing to offer my support on the continuing development of this product.

-----------------
Concepts,
UrbanAU Media & Design
www.UrbanAU.com

smacklan
08-21-2007, 09:43 PM
My favorite comes from the GAL readme:

Troubleshooting

Links are not appearing or come out not as intended
Try clicking Debug->Rebuild. This usually sorts it.
I have a heep fetish
Sorry, I cant help you there

lmao!!

calvis
08-22-2007, 08:07 AM
I still need to purchase a script. Supported or unsupported. I am willing to wait until everything gets sorted out.

nymyth
08-22-2007, 04:51 PM
I am saddened by this news, but I totally understand and I wish you and your family the best.

You were def. one of the best coders for vbulletin, and your support for your products was unparalleled......this is a great loss

mikel
08-22-2007, 04:54 PM
Sam - take care of home first, as it will take care of you. God-speed in healing your family issues.

I DEFINITELY would NOT turn over your scripts to vb.org. As others have stated, that'll be the slow death of them all :( Don't get me wrong, there are some wonderful scripts and support there, but most, like yourself, are dependent on a single person. Like you're experiencing now, if that single person becomes unavailable, that script suffers greatly :(

Please hold off on turning over your scripts to a 3rd entity, take the advice of others here, let things settle a bit and see how life is a few months from now. I'm sure most of us can wait a while.

I'm a very experienced software engineer (25+ years) and can pick up much of this style of coding pretty quickly. I've thought about throwing my hat into the ring to help/support some of these vb add-ons, but am not sure I realistically have the time.

Hmmmm, maybe time to reconsider that :)

Mike

Ohiosweetheart
08-22-2007, 06:22 PM
"Though not my type, I saved it anyway" in gars cracks me up every time.

That gets me too :D

NoDRaC
08-23-2007, 04:56 PM
i am sorry for your famil i hope you can solve problem.

for scripts please dont give .org we can wait 4 5 months.

Ranma
08-24-2007, 12:42 PM
today i came to buy another license and what do i find
it's going to stop !!
Please Don't give it to Vb.org ..
Any third party would be good instead of vb.org

We all can help with support and development but please please don't put it on vb.org ( i have a bad experience with it )

Heggy
08-24-2007, 05:50 PM
Why not vBHackers?

Lizard King
08-24-2007, 06:32 PM
I prefer Sam solving he crisis and then return back. If this is not an option then i prefer a third party vB Addon company or maybe Jelsoft itself. Releasing this scripts for free will 100% kill the scripts.

venon
08-24-2007, 07:36 PM
I prefer Sam solving he crisis and then return back. If this is not an option then i prefer a third party vB Addon company or maybe Jelsoft itself. Releasing this scripts for free will 100% kill the scripts.


I think most of us will just wait for Sam return right now all product are working fine for me and maybe others so there no rush .



@Sam take care of your family first and when you ready come back but dont give your codes away please.

thanks for all the help given to me .

Mirzone
08-24-2007, 09:50 PM
I would rather wait. Why not suspend all year long support and provide the product unsupported for a lower fee? I really do not feel any other developers will do it justice and instead of saving it will kill it off.

DMH
08-24-2007, 10:35 PM
I get the impression that perhaps a majority of folk here would be more than willing to bide their time and wait to see how things pan out with you Sam, even if that means months rather than weeks.

Yes, I can wait. Geek, get your problem sorted out, and come back when all is well.

Best wishes to you and your family

Julian
08-24-2007, 11:36 PM
Same for me:

I don´t think that anybody could be as good in supporting and developing the geek-scripts than the Geek himself. And he is one of the nicest, fairest, smartest coders who reached a quality that nearly nobody else did get.

Just think about that: He stops selling the products as soon as he can´t give any more support. Other software is sold years after the support stopped. The Geek gives money back. This is really shocking for me, for my opinion he is nearly giving "too much".

Yeah, take your time and don´t care if it´s a month or a year. I also prefear to know the geek-scripts "save". Possibly it would be an idea to give them free of charge, but not free of copyright. And you can get back to them as soon als you will have the time, so the actual versions can be free and the next developements will be charged again. Something like that.

However, please keep the following in mind:

- Even if I bought nearly every script, you don´t owe me anything. For my opinion the scripts where too cheep, you could have gotten the double and it would still have been fair.

- For the support and the developement you can charge much more. You developed somethign great and for my opinion it´s worth much more than you think.

- But take your time, before you decide!

- I would suggest that you still offer the automated buying of scripts, but you just mark out that in the moment there is no support and no developement. This is fair for the customers as long as you tell the situation. I know enough users who would like to have one of the scripts, they would be happy if you sell them even with no support.

And ... you deserve the money even if you don´t give support. The scripts are great!

Best wishes, Julian!

anothergeek
08-25-2007, 04:00 AM
Sam, I wish you the best with your crisis and and hope everything works out for you.

I would like to see you hold ownership of the scripts until you are able to take on support and development again. I think the vbgeek community should band together and help each other out until your return. If bugs come up, im sure some of the coders on this forum could come up with a fix or workaround.

Maybe you could appoint some super mods to oversee that the forum runs smoothly and to coordinate any bug fixes? Then once you are back, you could apply these fixes and release a new version.

gothic
08-25-2007, 04:27 AM
I think the vbgeek community should band together and help each other out until your return. If bugs come up, im sure some of the coders on this forum could come up with a fix or workaround.
Well said. :D

smacklan
08-25-2007, 12:39 PM
I'll echo everything thats been said here Sam...don't sell, keep these great scripts in your family! We will wait for you however long it takes and you deserve to continue to make income from them unsupported! Heck, even unsupported, these scripts are still worth what you charge if not more!

mikel
08-25-2007, 04:28 PM
I agree with others, still offer the scripts for sale with the proviso that the only support would be from others thru this site. i.e. make it plain to the buyer that you will provide no support, the sale is "as is", the only help would be from folks who are successfully using the products.

Then if anyone wants to take up the coding reins or bug fixing or enhancements while Geek is working thru his crisis, all the better !

Sychev_S
08-25-2007, 05:29 PM
I was just about to purchase the advertising system....But yeah, I agree with others, just sell your scripts as is untill you get back on track. ;)

Eros
08-25-2007, 06:03 PM
I'd also like geek should hand over these scripts to any third party developers. I'll buy & renew my license rather then download free & use these script from vb.org. these scripts will die in vb.org. and I don't want it :S

pingme
08-26-2007, 04:17 AM
I suggest you can at least allow current users to renew and get the latest update so they can continue using it and please for Gods sake dont release the script on VB eventually they will die there keep it with you and relauch when you are ready after months/years etc

pixie
08-26-2007, 08:33 AM
Well, I think it's the best solution to free your sources and let your great products grow further by community effort.

I don't care about having paid for your scripts, because they were definitely worth their price. I just wish, they won't be discontinued!! So please, let GARS live on!! :D

kafi
08-27-2007, 09:18 AM
Hi Sam, i hope you can manage the cirsis as good as you are managing your products :)

I definatelly prefer to continue with your business model and not to release them at vb.org. As we can see many scripts with simmilar faith became dead (zoints tags, etc.).
If there is no personal devotion to your product there is no common "somebody" who will support or continue updates for your scripts (not even porting them).

Additionally there will be plethora newbies questions that will pile up in vb thread with no real answers.
I prefer paid add-ons which is sign of serious approach from both sides (forum admin and script developer)...

StuntFactoryX
08-27-2007, 01:50 PM
my first choice would to see the geek work things out and return... if thats not possible then i would like to see some coders come here. mythotical is doing a good job w/ gm and has passion to carry on gm. from the posts i read he would like to stay and continue devolping. if we could get some other coders to support and continue devoping the other products why not keep them here as paid scrips. form a geek squad here!

if that cant happen then i say give them to a 3rd party. obviouly my interset is geekmart. we have been working w/ mythotical and have alot invested. i hate to start over.

sabret00the
08-28-2007, 12:59 PM
I would've been happy to help out during this crisis of yours. sadly it seems i'm finding out too late.

Loco
08-28-2007, 08:03 PM
I'm with Mert with this.

I have always enjoyed working with you Sam, I wish you the best with your family. Our prayers are with you and your family :(

Don't worry about the support, I'm sure we can help ourselves if we put our minds to it :)

ps.. If there is anything I can do to help Sam, you know how to contact me ;)
webmaster[at]vbulletinsetup.com if you didn't have my email handy

MRGTB
08-28-2007, 09:28 PM
I have to agree with others here who have said don't release it on vB.org. If you do that it will get ripped-off and sold under another name with code changes at some point most likely, hacked to death by novice coders out to make a quick buck. Just a bad idea in general really!

Plus, vB.org has gone really downhill these days. And the advanced coders that where once there - are no longer there to support your product correctly for free anymore.

cycloneuk
08-28-2007, 11:26 PM
Post edited, seems some members are not happy helping Sam out.

Lizard King
08-28-2007, 11:34 PM
You donot have any right to share that links publicly. Sam decided to turn the shop off and it is his decision to do so. You shall edit your post and delete that links.

Code Monkey
08-29-2007, 12:22 AM
Wow, this is not good news. I hope time will make things better for you.

I think you should just leave the scripts right here and take whatever time you need to get your families affairs in order. I'm sure the membership here can help each other out just as much, if not better, than at vBORG. And you definitely want to be wary of handing them over to smiling profiteers.

Don't panic and let it ride for awhile. No one is going to trash you for taking care of your own needs now and in the future. Wait a few months and see how it goes.

Freesteyelz
08-29-2007, 04:32 AM
I came here to renew my GARS license when I stumbled onto this thread by way of the purchase link. Even if the support has been halted, I would have purchased the renewal license anyway. Irresponsible?...No. Confidence in a product?...Yes, most definitely. If the option to renew a license exists, I'd take it in a heartbeat. :)

Take care of the things/matters you need to as I hope everything goes well in your future. In the meantime, I'm crossing my fingers that the renewal option will come my way. :)

COBRAws
08-29-2007, 08:55 AM
come back when you are ready, we will be waiting for you :)
take care my friend

Neutral Singh
08-29-2007, 04:10 PM
Dear Geek, if you are in a revenue crunch then why would you like to close down on a constant recourse of revenue earned from your scripts, however small that revenue might be?

amnesia623
08-30-2007, 07:42 AM
Sam -

Please don't release your scripts on .org. Take your time, take care of your business, and return when all is well.

henrikhansen
08-30-2007, 07:55 AM
Dear Geek, if you are in a revenue crunch then why would you like to close down on a constant recourse of revenue earned from your scripts, however small that revenue might be?

It´s not that simple, you can´t collect revenue from the scripts without
support and development.

However, I would hope that Geek could keep this site as a hobby project in future, just supporting the current products and upgrading the current scripts as vbulletin develops.

JohnBee
08-31-2007, 04:22 AM
Gars and other products are the best thing to come to vBul. since vBadvanced!
I would hate to see such a wonderful script go. I for one felt it was worth every single penny from the day we invested in these scripts.

Having said this, I totally sympathize with your situation and would say without a doubt that family comes first, hands down, bar none! I do hope you can come to a peaceful and beneficial solution in the near future and that Gars will continue to be all it was meant to be.

All the best to you and yours.
JohnBee

Marv
08-31-2007, 08:44 AM
The only solution I can see at this stage is to submit the latest builds to .org in hopes that the community will be able to pick up development and support of the projects. [...]

I have emptied out my paypal account to issue refunds for everyone as far back as I can afford to (about the last month of purchases). I would go back further than that, however I think that a month is fair and the reality is that I now have only about 24 cents in my account!


Dear Sam,

I guess i can understand in which situation you are. When my father was about to die in 2005 I had to close my site for several obvious reasons. It took nearly a year until I was able to get back to the site and reopen it - in a totaly different way.

I dont know what is happening in your family, but I clearly understand that there is something threatening a family member or your whole family. And at that point I want to show my respect and my support for you and your family.

I highly aprecciate, that you set your family over everything else. Not everyone is doing that. And I also clearly understand and see, that every crisis needs some backup und support from others - especially when a part of your monthly income breaks away and is even needed more then ever before.

Sam, let me say it this way: here we are.

The way you acted as stated in your quote is the fairest behaviour that I could imagine and ever experienced in my 20 years worldwideweb- and when I now say Thank you, be sure this one comes from the heart.

I would like to encourage you to reopen the purchase of your scripts under the following conditions:
all script will be non-supported
all scripts will be downloaded at own risk and no warranty of functionality
all scripts are purchased in the as-it-is-status."I will always set the mission first. I will never quit. I will never accept defeat - and I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Words I have sworn in a slightly different way while being in the service and later had become the basis of my daily life.

Sure, in the back of my mind I know that I would like to use some of your scripts. But thats not my primary focus. I can live without them - but I also don´t wanna let you down, when you have shown an outstanding fair behaviour, loyality to your customers and excellent service throughout the years. I wasn´t build for that.

In addition to that I wanna ask you to post your paypal-adress or your bank account. Why? Because I and I guess a couple of guys here would like to support you and your family in a financial way.

Gimme a tip on my shoulder when there is something else I can do for you.
Keep up, mate. Our prayers are with you and your family.

Marv.

tester
09-01-2007, 03:37 AM
Has it been determined where the future of vbgeeks scripts will reside?

Johnny Utah
09-01-2007, 05:18 AM
I second Marv's idea.

PixelFX
09-01-2007, 06:41 AM
Sam, please let me know if there is anything we can do to help :D

AndreasP
09-01-2007, 02:35 PM
I've just decided to upgrade vB from 3.5.4 to 3.6.8. So, of course, I wanted to get the newest GARS version which supports, as I have lot of garsed forums. I've been shocked to see there is no licence renewal button any more and hopped over this thread.

I can understand when you need time for setting your crisis, but I agree with others in this thread, when suggesting to reopen the licence renewal and download option without support from you.

That would be pretty much okay for me, as I rely on your script very much.

All the best,
Andreas, an Austrian User

Freesteyelz
09-01-2007, 08:54 PM
Well said, Marv. :)

Dear Sam,

I guess i can understand in which situation you are. When my father was about to die in 2005 I had to close my site for several obvious reasons. It took nearly a year until I was able to get back to the site and reopen it - in a totaly different way.

I dont know what is happening in your family, but I clearly understand that there is something threatening a family member or your whole family. And at that point I want to show my respect and my support for you and your family.

I highly aprecciate, that you set your family over everything else. Not everyone is doing that. And I also clearly understand and see, that every crisis needs some backup und support from others - especially when a part of your monthly income breaks away and is even needed more then ever before.

Sam, let me say it this way: here we are.

The way you acted as stated in your quote is the fairest behaviour that I could imagine and ever experienced in my 20 years worldwideweb- and when I now say Thank you, be sure this one comes from the heart.

I would like to encourage you to reopen the purchase of your scripts under the following conditions:
all script will be non-supported
all scripts will be downloaded at own risk and no warranty of functionality
all scripts are purchased in the as-it-is-status."I will always set the mission first. I will never quit. I will never accept defeat - and I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Words I have sworn in a slightly different way while being in the service and later had become the basis of my daily life.

Sure, in the back of my mind I know that I would like to use some of your scripts. But thats not my primary focus. I can live without them - but I also don´t wanna let you down, when you have shown an outstanding fair behaviour, loyality to your customers and excellent service throughout the years. I wasn´t build for that.

In addition to that I wanna ask you to post your paypal-adress or your bank account. Why? Because I and I guess a couple of guys here would like to support you and your family in a financial way.

Gimme a tip on my shoulder when there is something else I can do for you.
Keep up, mate. Our prayers are with you and your family.

Marv.

Raze
09-02-2007, 03:26 PM
Sorry to hear you are going through a rough time, and I agree with everyone else, family and personal life must always come first.

Personally I'm not keen on you 'giving away' the scripts to another coder, unless it's only a temporary solution, where, when you are ready, you take them back and carry on here as usual. Perhaps in this instance, you can give the coder who does take them on a cut of all sales (whilst they are in charge of them) so long as they support them adequately.

Another option is to reduce your price to half, and continue to sell them with no official support here - simply explain the situation (as you already have here) and say that support will only be provided by members of this community, and not officially. If you think you can come back within 6 months I think this would be acceptable to most.

I hope these suggestions are helpful, and hope you get things sorted soon and we see you back here when you're good and ready.

All the best.

ibodybuild
09-02-2007, 04:32 PM
Sam, please let me know if there is anything we can do to help :D

Let PixelFX and Darkwaltz4 take this over if you are going to give it to someone because these guys run vbcredits.com and many mods over there so... plus there support is really good as well :) Just a suggestion.

Vero
09-06-2007, 03:39 AM
I just found this site and I am sorry to hear about this crisis. I am very much interested in the product none-the-less, and would love to look into purchasing a few licenses, even if un supported. Please consider this as an option, and best of wishes in your familly emergancy.

Heggy
09-06-2007, 06:06 AM
Sorry to hear you are going through a rough time, and I agree with everyone else, family and personal life must always come first.

Personally I'm not keen on you 'giving away' the scripts to another coder, unless it's only a temporary solution, where, when you are ready, you take them back and carry on here as usual. Perhaps in this instance, you can give the coder who does take them on a cut of all sales (whilst they are in charge of them) so long as they support them adequately.

Another option is to reduce your price to half, and continue to sell them with no official support here - simply explain the situation (as you already have here) and say that support will only be provided by members of this community, and not officially. If you think you can come back within 6 months I think this would be acceptable to most.

I hope these suggestions are helpful, and hope you get things sorted soon and we see you back here when you're good and ready.

All the best.
This sounds good to me

tokenyank
09-06-2007, 02:01 PM
Geek... I'm not even sure you are (or able) to read these posts but the outpouring of support should tell you that your absence is felt and we all wish you the very best.

As to the scripts side of things... Considering all of us have installed (and use(d) ) hacks from vb.org with absolutely no support or in some cases, being made to feel stupid from the mod maker for asking for help.

Anyone who knows you and your addons know that you provide a quality script and a quality service. There are many of us who need/want to update licenses or what to expand with new licenses.

I heartily throw my hat into the ring of opening the sales again with the proviso that people know and accept that support may be limited or non-existent.

I know that if I had a problem with one of your products that you'd be here in a heart beat to fix it, that said, I also know that we have brilliant users who are great coders in their own right who are happy to help where/when they can. In this vain, I'd happily pay you for your software and hope for the best.

Take care of yourself and yours mate, and I hope that all is coming around... But, to cut off your nose to spite your face won't help anyone!

Just my $.02 for what its worth!

Quisaz Haderach
09-09-2007, 10:40 PM
Only two words in case like this: Good Luck!
Of heart

Rebecca
09-10-2007, 05:01 PM
Samuel,

You're absolutely right--family always comes first! I just wanted to throw my support behind you. I've weathered many a family crisis in my time, and know how emotionally (and physically!) draining they can be. I'm hoping and praying for strength and comfort for you (and your family) throughout the ordeal.

Rebecca

Confused
09-12-2007, 01:11 PM
I have recently purchased GeekMart as it is the best (only?) shopping cart that's fully integrated into vBulletin.

I couldn't believe when I saw the price of it, I was expecting to pay 2-3x as much!

Geek, you are an absolutely awesome vB programmer, and I hope your family situation resolves itself as promptly as possible, and I shall eagerly await your return.

I think it would be silly to pass on the excellent user- and customer-base you've built up, as the responses in this thread show - we don't mind waiting for you to concentrate on the most important thing - your life and family.

MissKalunji
09-13-2007, 10:53 PM
aww i hope everything works out for the best. Your a great programer!

yoyo
09-13-2007, 11:57 PM
Sorry to hear about your problems,and I hope everythng works out for you. Best of luck!

Ghostsuit
09-18-2007, 03:41 PM
I have to say I agree with Marv's suggestion. I also think if you were to open the scripts you'd have a good few people helping with unofficial support.

I hope everything works out for you and your family.

tokenyank
09-18-2007, 05:31 PM
Yeah, because at the end of the day, if you were serious about releasing to vb.org... Keep it here for licensed users to have and let us support it.

Let (current) licensed users unfettered access to the products and we'll all pull together to keep the place clean and put food in the fridge for when you get back! :)

Alfa1
09-19-2007, 02:54 AM
I think releasing GARS on vb.org is not the best idea. GARS is so extensive and promising that it needs and deserves a dedicated developer or even a developing team to support and to further develop it.

If you chose to sell GARS to a developer, then please chose one that is well known for his/her customer support. Trough my personal experience I value the customer support and professionalism of these coders the highest:

Elfmage (http://elfmage.nuhit.com/profile/) - Nuhit
SirAdrian (http://www.vblogetin.com/members/siradrian.html) - vBlogetin
AndrewD (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/member.php?u=17632) - LDM
PaulM (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/member.php?u=63698)


I wish you all the best and lots of good vibes!!

Mythotical
09-19-2007, 05:35 AM
I will say this, I honestly think that Geek won't sale/give away by now then I doubt he will.

Lizard King
09-19-2007, 03:16 PM
I think releasing GARS on vb.org is not the best idea. GARS is so extensive and promising that it needs and deserves a dedicated developer or even a developing team to support and to further develop it.

If you chose to sell GARS to a developer, then please chose one that is well known for his/her customer support. Trough my personal experience I value the customer support and professionalism of these coders the highest:

Elfmage (http://elfmage.nuhit.com/profile/) - Nuhit
SirAdrian (http://www.vblogetin.com/members/siradrian.html) - vBlogetin
AndrewD (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/member.php?u=17632) - LDM
PaulM (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/member.php?u=63698)


I wish you all the best and lots of good vibes!!
I personally will never use Elfmage and SirAdrian's scripts .
Paul M :) google his name and read about how people think about him :)
AndrewD is a really good coder but i believe if someone shall take over Sam's scripts they shall be more than one developer involved , probably a team.

Alfa1
09-19-2007, 06:51 PM
i believe if someone shall take over Sam's scripts they shall be more than one developer involved , probably a team.
That's exactly why I have put NuHit at the top of the list.

But those are my personal experiences. Others may have good experiences with other coding teams.

Cole
09-19-2007, 11:05 PM
I think releasing GARS on vb.org is not the best idea. GARS is so extensive and promising that it needs and deserves a dedicated developer or even a developing team to support and to further develop it.

If you chose to sell GARS to a developer, then please chose one that is well known for his/her customer support. Trough my personal experience I value the customer support and professionalism of these coders the highest:

Elfmage (http://elfmage.nuhit.com/profile/) - Nuhit
SirAdrian (http://www.vblogetin.com/members/siradrian.html) - vBlogetin
AndrewD (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/member.php?u=17632) - LDM
PaulM (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/member.php?u=63698)


I wish you all the best and lots of good vibes!!

I would not mind SirAdrian or PaulM. However I would rather NuHit not take over such a script, and AndrewD does not have much more going for him other than the Links and Downloads Manager.

Ramses
09-20-2007, 10:25 AM
I don't want to rush but maybe it could be time to tell us what the final decision is. GARS is an very important addition to my 2 forums and I need to know if I can use it long time or have to search for an alternative software.
If there's a realistic chance you will have the needed time for supporting the scripts in a half year or so than it's the best to don't sell/give away the scripts. Thank you. And b.t.w. you'r my most favourit coder and without you there will be left a very big hole in the vbulletin community.

convergent
09-24-2007, 08:33 PM
I go through development cycles on my sites, and I was in an off cycle and missed this bombshell. GARS is a great product and it has been part of a lot of my plans on our flagship site. One of the main reasons I went with it, was that I like to use commercial scripts so that I can get support and not get left in an abandoned state which has happened so many times with .org stuff in the past. Now I guess I have found that buying doesn't get you any further than going with the free stuff. :(

TheGeek, I do hope that your family situation improves, and I'll add you to my prayers. Personally, if you do decide to just throw this out into open source on .org, one of my first priorities will be to look for another solution for what I've used GARS for... which will be a very difficult task to solve. Without a "lead", anything at .org dies from what I've seen.

I'd like to see you turn it over or sell it to some other commercial entity that is capable and interested in doing something with it. Of the developers listed, I'm most impressed with the vBadvanced folks (Brian), or nuHit. From what I've seen, they have (in the past) provided pretty good support and kept their products up to date.

Another idea that I've not heard mentioned is Jelsoft. I wonder if they would consider taking it over as an add-on to vBulletin?

I wish you well, and please do keep us updated. I'm really concerned about what this is going to do to the future of my site that is heavily using GARS.

The Geek
09-24-2007, 10:06 PM
Tho8ugh I fantasise about it, let's face it... the vB team have their hands MORE than full and furthermore, they would most likely need to spend a crap load of time retweaking most of the scripts to meet the needs of their customer base.

I have spoken to most people/parties mentioned in this thread - however most discussions have been to no avail (some may be great coders - but most are naff communicators). I am creating a new thread to attempt to wrap things up for past customers needs.

Thanks for understanding.

bob
10-28-2007, 11:03 PM
Wow, what a bummer. GAL is one of my favorite scripts (maybe even my favorite), and it's so hard to find coders who support what they sell.

I realize, of course, that you probably never made a lot of money off your products, and perhaps that's what's driving the lack of response.

Perhaps you could raise the price to make it more appealing? I myself would be willing to pay more.

At any rate, I hope things go well with your family and your bricks-and -mortar business. :)

minstrel
11-17-2007, 02:53 AM
I would like to encourage you to reopen the purchase of your scripts under the following conditions:
all script will be non-supported
all scripts will be downloaded at own risk and no warranty of functionality
all scripts are purchased in the as-it-is-status.[I]


If this is at all feasible, I'd recommend this too. I know a few who would like to purchase GARS as it is in the current version.

Gas
11-17-2007, 10:05 AM
If this is at all feasible, I'd recommend this too. I know a few who would like to purchase GARS as it is in the current version.

me too!!! :)